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�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�? �?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�? Jordan-Hillier, Ginger, interviewed by Greg Beam, July 27, 2000