�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�? Eastman, Joel
�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�? �?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�?�? Eastman, Joel, interviewed by Mike Richard, August 6, 1999